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M.O.D.O.K Head Games with Jordan Blum

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Comics have  such a long history that there’s no way anybody can know everything about every character. M.O.D.O.K. is that way for me. I

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Hulk (2003) With Josh Sutton (Panels to Pixels)

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No matter what you want to think, the Ang Lee Hulk film exists. And there’s a game to go with it. Yup, it’s a

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Sea of Sorrows with Rich Douek

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Let’s cut to the chase here. I’m a sucker for creators who I see out in the world pushing their stuff. Rich was out

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Octobug with Eric Bailey (Tiny Bookshelf)

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I look at comics all the time here in this Creator Talk set of bonus episodes. And I’ve looked at a card game that

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Zen Intergalactic Ninja with Steve Honeycutt (Ray Can't Sleep)

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Ninjas are cool. Aliens are cool. So why not make a ninja that’s also an alien? And also has a team of rag tag

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Long Ago & Far Away with Chris Mancini

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There are tons of stories about little kids who get to go to other worlds and have grand adventures. Like literally tons, and I’m

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Fist of the North Star with Jordan Forbes (Shonen Flop)

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Post apocalyptic mayhem. New societies and population groups popping up and insisting that they are living the right way. The power struggle between might

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Lonely Receiver with Rye Hickman and Zac Thompson

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Let’s get one thing straight. Lonely Receiver is a really fun read. Rye Hickman (previously published as Jen Hickman) and Zac Thompson are really

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Fester's Quest with Michael Bivens (Silent Journeys)

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Everyone that I know who knows who The Addams family is knows them from the 1960s TV show or the 90s movies. A few

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An Embarrassment of Witches with Sophie Goldstein

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